I would argue that the white invasion from Europe has caused incurable conflicts within Africa, just like the British caused long lasting conflicts between Israel and the Muslim world, between India and Pakistan. The white intruders were outnumbered by the local African. The strategy they used was to incite conflicts among different local ethnic groups, and to conquer them bit by bit, tribe by tribe.
The white-incited conflicts within Africa, followed by the problematic divisions of lands, dictated by the white intruder, are the root for long lasting tribal conflicts that are still ongoing with no sign of ceasing any time soon. I still have not mentioned the natural resources that the whites have robbed from the African.
This is another huge topic. If you despise the general black population so much as to the extent that you actually support apartheid, I would sincerely suggest you try every means to leave their local culture alone and to return to where you belong. In terms of the toilet issue, it was rather mixed reasons: tradition, economy and personal choice. There is really not much room for personal choice of class if your income is merely enough for food.
Traditions that do not conform to humanity, are superstitious in a harmful way, or are unhygienic should be abandoned. A lot of them have already been abandoned. In terms of economy, there is no Euromillion Jackpot for a country as populated as China. MrMa — an assumption? Have you ever actually been to Africa and spent enough time here to figure out how things really work? Look at Zimbabwe, for example.
It was built up into a lovely country by the white man, and roughly 30 years later it is falling apart and the people are starving. The Zimbabwe case, like countless others in Africa, proves that Africans are unable to make something work, even if it was given to them in working order. You stated that the white invasion from Europe caused incurable conflicts within Africa and mentioned something about the national borders being too straight. Incidentally, I had a look on my world map and found that America has many straight borders between its states, as well as Australia and parts of Europe.
Africa has had more than enough time and money in foreign aid to recover from any remnants of colonization. The Aftican tribes were fighting long before the white man came here and will continue to fight for many gene rations to come, and that has nothing to do with the white man. While you accuse me of hating Africans, it is actually you and the false ideas that you put forth that prevent Africans from evolving into something better.
Maybe if all the foreign aid was suddenly cut, then Africans would be forced to use their brains and evolve into something better. With regard to the British and the muslim world, it is no small coincidence that wherever you find muslims, you also find militance and radical ideology.
We have plenty of muslims over here too. They may pray 5 times a day and make a big fuss about it, but no sooner have they finished praying do they go back out into the world to rip someone off.
Muslims are the way the are because their religion is a relic of the dark ages. At least people could sleep safely at night. People like me call these selected savages kaffirs because that is exactly what they are. They rape, steal, kill and destroy, and have zero regard for human life, including yours. It is savagery, and has been going on in Africa long before the white man ever arrived here.
Maybe you should read a bit more about Shaka Zulu and his bunch of savages, and then you will have a better idea. Does a lack of money cause people to allow their kids to piss on the airport floor, or for Chinese people to shit on the pavement?
With regard to holes in the ground for toilets — I have no problem with this. In fact, my mother grew up poor on a farm and had a toilet like that. Why is that? Heaven forbid!
I wonder what excuse you will now concoct to justify why the Chinese find the need to shit next to the hole and not in the hole as any other rational person would do. Or, are the Chinese just a bunch of spiteful mother-fuckers who go out of their way to make things as unpleasant as possible for their fellow comrades???
Reading your posts makes me feel dirty, associating with you and your racist Indian lover will seriously make me puke. There is however a certain irony in you attacking his alleged racism while showing your homophobia. But, what are his comments which you regard as racist? White Guy In South Africa. I can understand some of the defensive comments here, but I can not understand how they can be in such denial of the facts.
Public toilets in Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Fiji and Hong Kong can be just as bad when it comes to stench and cleanliness. You seem to regard the misery caused by white invasion as a minor disturbance, yet fail to see the consequences that last for centuries and cause Africa unable to recover even till today.
Considering all these factors, there is an estimation of more than million population loss to Africa from slave trade, equivalent to the population of the whole Africa in The slaves were mainly young male aged between , young female aged between , with the number of male slaves double that of female slaves.
The mass loss of this group of people means the castration of Africa and permanent destruction of its economic productivity. It takes centuries to recover from the consequence, far from recovery now. To have an idea of the long-term detrimental effect of this unimaginable population loss, take a look at Russia, which lost tens of millions of young male aged between during World War II.
This mass population loss within a relatively short period of time has consequence that is observable even today females more than males now in Russia , and has seriously hindered the potential of Russia in becoming the world superpower. However, the loss in Africa following Afro-Europe and Trans-Atlantic slave trade is times worse than that in Russia. You also fail to see the once flourished African civilization, the Ashanti. As a descendant of white invaders who inflicted tremendous pain in Africa, you are not necessarily considered one of the millions of hosts of South Africa, i.
The only way of salvation is to return to where you belong. During my 4 years stay in the UK, I rarely pooed in public toilets no more than 3 times all of which are real emergencies , especially not in pubs or on trains where it is common to see excessive paper blocking the toilet probably used to cover the seat ring and pee marks appearing on the edge.
These sit toilets, even though apparently clean despite occasional pee mark, have accumulated an incredible amount of obviously invisible germs after being touched by numerous bums. That is what I feel filthy about. Or even improve the squatter by installing some anti-splash fences. For people who refuse to touch what has been touched by countless bums, a squatter is a must-have choice.
When I was a kid in the s in Beijing, the housing condition was so congested with an average occupancy of 5 m2 per person. There was simply no room for en-suite toilet. The reality was that the whole street shared a public toilet, with a large number of squatters and a long ditch below connecting all squatters.
There was no flush. Everything fell directly into the ditch. Due to the lack of a U-shaped pipe, this kind to toilet was very smelly, infested with mosquito. No squatters for new buildings.
With the sprouting of star shopping malls, there has been a significant improvement in public toilets. I therefore find your conclusion inconsistent with my life experience.
Neither is it possible to change your mind. It is bizarre to use this word for daily communication, insulting when using this word against someone you meet for the first time. Invisible germs are in all toilets everywhere, be they in a UK station or Beijing 5 star hotel. This is a mendacious twist of the argument. We are not talking about the odd pee stain. We are talking about the piles of human excrement found in Chinese toilets, sometimes a foot high.
We are talking about human urine in pools an inch deep on the floor. We are talking about a smell of uric acid and ammonia that is so strong that it stings your eyes and nose. The idea that you can compare that to a urine stain is ridiculous.
What is interesting is that this is tolerated. It has nothing to do with poverty. I know of airports in China where most foreigners would not even be able to enter for the smell.
I know of no other airports landing full size jets, anywhere else in the world like that. The other interesting aspectof Chinese toilet culture, are the open walled ones, with everyone sitting and defecating in public. I have never seen that anywhere in the world. What you read in the text-books about Africa has nothing to do with reality, just like the image created by China during the Olympics bears no resemblance to everyday life in China.
Such deceptions are propaganda. In Durban, South Africa, where I live, it is the same thing. When my city hosts international conferences, the police go around the city picking up all the street kids and locking them in jail until the foreign delegates go home.
Also, the city council goes around picking up all the litter on the streets and plants pretty flowers along the sidewalk. It is just to create a good impression, but is far from reality. What is reality, and what you have still not once properly acknowledged, is that Chinese toilets are, on average, vile and that they are this way because the average Chinese person using these toilets has little regard for public, and therefore personal hygiene.
Almost every person who has made an entry on this blog has concurred with my estimation of Chinese toilets. You have got your head so far in your text-books that you are in a complete state of denial about the state of affairs in your country judging by your vehement defensiveness, I can only assume that you are Chinese, or have a close association with the country.
Contrary to what you may have read in your text-books and propagandist media reports, let me fill you in… During Apartheid: 1. Only white people paid taxes. Only white young men had to do compulsory military training. White people received nothing for free, whereas other races received basically free education and housing and utlities. And, by the way, the black people of South Africa would not have such opportunities as they do today if the WHITE armed forces had not valiantly defended this country from invaders from north black invaders from Angola, etc.
It is immature and unproductive. I think we should just agree to disagree. Are you trying to tell me that from your personal experience, that slave trade never happened, that white-incited tribal conflicts never existed, and that all the misery was just an imagination? Or they are purely lies that non-white people have almost unanimously made up to demonize the white Europeans? Your personal experience seems so omnipotent that it empowers you to dictate history, a sanitized version where the white are just innocent visitors to Africa, and that overwhelming evidence of slave trade, white-incited tribal conflicts and military conquer are simply disregarded.
It is therefore extremely arrogant for you to label dissents as propaganda, without even knowing what their text books really look like. Your logic is flawed. Pointing out that white Europeans are largely responsible for the nowadays misery of Africa does not contradict with the notion that developments in future can only be achieved by local Africans.
Your argument that the African race has its shortcomings by no means rationalizes the slave trade, white-incited conflicts, and military conquer by white Europeans.
Without slave trade, white-inflicted conflicts and military conquers, what the Africa would have been like and what the Ashanti civilization would have developed are open to imaginations, something in the parallel universe. You never answered the question as to how many African countries have you ever visited and for how long a period. Frankly I have the impression that you have never set foot in Africa, and have your opinions learnt from text books.
The whole series of response results from your attack against your fellow African citizens on a racial basis. As a descendant of white invaders and a white superiorist, you seriously need some sober up. It is strange that you find the Chinese invasion of another country, with a totally different ethnic group, with a totally different language so unacceptable when it is White people doing it, in the 16th century onwards, whereas you find the Chinese doing the same acceptable.
I would also note that we were already withdrawing just as the Chinese were invading. It is a pain in the ass talking to someone without logic. You are not even half compared to the White Guy in South Africa in terms of logic. Do you seriously suggest that you have to visit Germany to confirm WW2 ever happened; otherwise the existence of WW2 was just hearsay?
On that basis, should I deny all of them? The only information source to you seems to be text books, i. This is typical for an uneducated bigot. However, it is not the case for me. For a well educated person, text books provide a rather limited or minor fraction of knowledge in a limited number of disciplines. Extensive reading of various sources of various areas therefore constitutes the major portion of your knowledge base.
Let me give you an example: the existence of slave trade in mass scale is confirmed by overwhelming evidence from various sources by people with various political stances. You mentioned that it was something in the 16th century. This is a misconception. Mass-scale slave trade lasted from the 16th century to the 19th century, with minor occurrence in early 20th century when it finally died out.
BTW, I am not African. No state or country has the right to inherit or eliminate a government. It was a claim of sovereignty over Tibet, meaning, it was an assumption made by China that Tibet belonged to them. In addition, saying that the arguments regarding the invasion make sense and that you did not regret this takeover? Not the POV of the Tibetans or their government in exile. Presumably, you would have been able to migrate to Tibet, you just have to go through customs and all that stuff.
The reason between the conflicts between Israel and the Muslim world is down to religion. Yes, the British did impose a mandate of Palestine, but it was at the request of Emir Faisal, who, was speaking on behalf of King Hussein. The root of the conflict started because Israel drove the Palestinians out of their country AND the Arab countries expelled the Jews from theirs. The conflict of India and Pakistan is likewise, not due to British involvement but because of religion.
India is predominantly Hindu, whereas, Pakistan is predominantly Muslim. The conflict is due to the Muslims and the Hindus not getting on with each other.
Britain was actually in favour of keeping India and Pakistan united. They sent a Mission in order to try and get a compromise between the predominantly Indian Congress and the Muslim League. Calling someone an uneducated bigot is a little too much, considering half of you information is wrong. Russell does have a point. When you set foot in another country, you start to understand things from their perspective. When you read sources, it is usually biased from one perspective to another.
Political incorrect could not deny the bitter fact that there is new form of discrimination in south africa, though intentionally or not, it might be exaggerated, by human nature. Or is that a vengeance taken on the people for what their fathers did? Now I have a better understanding of why the Chinese student I host leaves my bathroom looking like a frat house party aftermath and chicken bones in his room for weeks.
Ay yi yi!!! So gross….. Thank you so much! You have no idea how helpful your website has been! I am traveling to china to study abroad and I was terrified of the bathroom situation!
Thanks for putting it straight and leaving out the filler! Its odd but I am less nervous reading about the true state of the bathroom situation, even though it is as bad I as it thought it was!!! The Chinese did not make slaves of anyone, not Tibetans, nor any other minorities. Tibet was conquered and kept, just like the Americas and Australia were conquered and kept. Go fight for the freedom of natives in America and Australia. Otoh, whites have enslaved the entire continent of Africa, robbed them blind, and in the case of Leopold of Belgium, cut off their limbs and hung them from trees.
Interesting post. But what about the rest of the bathroom culture? Would you want the people preparing your food to not wash their hands? Bad hygienic habits are the problem. I agree with most of what you are saying. I am not sure though how they are when you have an ageing population and millions of 80 year olds. The point I would take issue with you though is saying it is not cultural. What else is it if not cultural? It is a fact that the Chinese are culturally dirty; not only in public toilets, but also their homes are generally not over clean either.
They largely believe that illness is something akin to voodoo or changes in the wind direction, bad luck etc.
This being the case — why would you wash your hands or not spit all over everyone? Well I am a white guys marrying a chinese girl and ended up with divorce. And here I would like to talk about my feelings about those chinese girls. First I must say that many chinese girls are pretty. XD But they are a little bit mean. In short, I think chinese girls do not really love me but only want a white guy.
They were generally very clean and I felt quite happy and safe using them. Of course any toilet needs to be cleaned regularly and have soap and water, otherwise it will become a breeding ground for bacteria and infection. Europeans learned that over years ago…. Touching the lock is not the most unhigenic part. Then it gets into the food supply. Chinese bathrooms do not offer soup or toilet paper most of the time. Its just ignorance. In Australia over the last couple of years the public toilet and shopping centres now have no doors to open when entering.
There are doors on the private cubicle. I have always tried to never touch any handles or taps etc around toilets. On my three stays in China the toilets were of poor standards but again there was no necessity to touch handles etc. Chinese bathrooms are just plain disgusting. They all smell extremely foul and you will always find a puddle of pee in front of the urinal.
A lot of Chinese will also take the opportunity to smoke in a public bathroom and the combination of smoke and urine can make anyone want to puke. During one of my travels to China, I witnessed a woman cutting up a chicken on a cutting board about 3 feet from the entrance to a public bathroom.
Oh my. Pingback: Avoiding squatters? You're doing it wrong - Lost Laowai. This is an interesting discussion that rages on long after the article was published. Well, here are my 2 cents.
I experienced this just recently at an international mathematics conference at the North University of China in Taiyuan, Shanxi. No soap, no towels, not in the library, in the restaurants toilets, anywhere. The same in Pingyao, where we had an organized trip. Say what you will about years of civilization, this is not acceptable. I came to this post because I was trying to find a description of the most ingenuous toilet system I has ever seen.
Instead if a toilet, with a seat, there was a tiled river bank with flushed water running at timed intervals. The user stepped one foot on the far side and squatted. The main thing is that outside of the US, people experiment with different toilet designs. No two work the same. It was in China. And the reason it was so bad was that it was an area of high poverty and zero infrastructure.
I was in the taklamakan desert, just about where the river stops going south. Of course I had to pee, right? Long journey. Thank goodness I only had to pee. And I felt so spoiled by my attitude. I was determined to get it done, but twice the smell drove me out. I tried so hard to get passed it, but the large scary drop into the pit terrified me more then the smell made me gag. Finally I went around the outside and used the entire structure as a privacy screen.
My guess would be that when it got too bad, residents build another one down the way. You have to be desperate to use this one. I was! I seen chinese who have been stopped in traffic…get out of their car and take a crap on the road. Chinese people are fundamentally pigs. Indeed, water at above ambient temperature can even promote the growth of bacteria and some viruses.
Water temperature is a moot issue, washing hands is not. Thanks a lot for this! I kept wondering, how on earth do they maintain bathroom hygiene? Makes perfect sense now. Got my own embarrassing Chinese bathroom story… Soon after I got to Beijing for the first time, I went 2 in a public toilet, not realizing that the flush power in the squatties is quite weak. Do they just stay home??? I just booked a 12 day trip to China but after reading all these comments I am starting to regret making plans.
I will be 68 yrs old by the time I reach there so I guess I better take an inflatable toilet seat or disposable toilet seat cover or hope 2 beckons only when I am in my hotel. My advice though is to keep your diet as regular as possible and utilize hotel bathrooms as much as you can.
Street food in China is not to be missed, but try your best to stick with reputable or at least well-visited spots. And never, ever, leave the hotel without toilet paper or napkins. My habit used to be just to grab whatever was left on the hotel roll before leaving in the morning, take out the cardboard roll and stick the paper in a small plastic bag. HaHaHa this article is funny.
I have been to China4 times now since marring my wife in I must say here in Chongqing, there are plenty of squatters compared to the sitters and I am somewhat use to them. With all spots located in the suburb of Beijing, this route will offer visitors an extradinary opportunity to get closer to nature.
The transit without visa policy for foreigners holding effective international travel documents, determining dates in hours has been implemented in Beijing, Tianjin and Hebei.
Follow Us. About us Contact us business cooperation. Hot search. However, if you are traveling on your own, here are some tips for spotting a bathroom in China. Public toilets in China are usually clearly signposted. You might see it on a signpost at an intersection or on the side of a building. For example, there are plenty of public toilets in Beijing if you keep your eyes open for signs like the one below.
If you cannot find a public toilet around you, there are other places you may take advantage of. One choice is surrounding business buildings, such as office buildings and shopping malls, which usually have clean public bathrooms. Like anywhere else in the world, most restrooms are clearly marked "male" and "female. Toilets in China vary greatly, which is probably why the government has started rating them with stars and handing out awards.
We've never seen any awarded less than three stars — one- and two-star toilets don't seem to get labeled. One of the requirements for public restrooms to receive a top rating is to have toilet paper. So, wherever you see a triple-star restroom, your chances of finding toilet paper will be quite high. China's first "toilet revolution" took place in Beijing in the s. The latest intensive effort to improve the nation's facilities started in As of the end of , 68, toilets around the country have been constructed or reconstructed.
Today, Beijing has some of the most advanced restrooms in the country, including one equipped with personal TVs, charging stations, Wi-Fi, ATMs, and relaxing music. As you can imagine, this particular restroom has become a tourist attraction in its own right. Shanghai has also stepped up its restroom game by opening its first gender-neutral public toilet.
Most public toilets in big cities and at popular tourist attractions are clean, free, easy to find, and conveniently located in China. However, many parts of China are still developing, which means that the types and cleanliness of public toilets aren't completely uniform. Nevertheless, as with all things when you are traveling, remember to keep an open mind. The China Guide is a Beijing-based travel agency that customizes private tours, educational student tours, and incentive trips across China.
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